Figures. Seems sadistic enough to fit your bill. I'm not in the mood to get mobbed for a second time, thanks.
[He'll take a long drink from his own glass before continuing. God the urge to just fill the entire glass and down it is INTENSE but he knows better.]
If they had wanted to make amends, they would have by now. Their rules aside, some sure as hell tried harder than others to show that this whole charade was the last thing they wanted. I don't have an issue with those ones.
It's the rest that I think are getting off a little easier than they should. Offering lipservice for retribution while guarding each other from anyone that wants said retribution, all while spewing that slaughtering over a dozen people was for the good of the whole?
Under that logic, our lives were fodder. They better be willing to live with that blood on their hands rather than coming up with any more excuses.
[It's petty, and he knows it's petty. But he could care less about what they could and couldn't do and the agony of their roles, given how some of them had acted the entire time, both in and out of the trials.]
It seems a lot like war to me. We were fodder back then too, told that what we're doing is just. And that makes it ok for us to kill, all of a sudden? As if the other side isn't being told to think the same thing. And for what? We didn't get anything for it, just a bunch of dead comrades and glory for the men who didn't even fight themselves. I'm tired of it, really. People should just kill each other and not make up a bunch of excuses. [A probably unsurprising hot take from Ogata. He takes another sip and fixes Guy with an impassive expression.]
[Oof... we don't got time to unpack that shit all at once, Ogata...]
Not really, no. But I guess there's enough similarities.
To fight for the sake of combat is different. I'm no soldier, so I can't say how similar or not my experience might be. But when you willingly go into combat, regardless of whether it's right or wrong, you fight and you kill because staying alive is a priority. Those that want to stay alive keep themselves alive, whether that's through bloodshed or manipulation or just running off.
Very few fight just for the sake of killing, and even fewer kill without any purpose at all. You have to have pretty twisted reasoning to just not to give a damn. [Yes, Ogata, he remember what your dad told you. Shh.]
These aren't soldiers fighting a war. These are people with a gun held to their head for someone else's amusement. They say they acted for the good of everyone, that they had no choice, but all I see is a bunch of people who were scared to die, and rather than making choices that helped lead us in a direction of understanding, they just acted on their own fear. They picked off people they knew would prove to be easier kills or unlikeable, they covered their tracks and lied for one another, and they did nothing when other people were killed in retaliation.
For "good" or not, it was nothing but self serving, and to speak like they can have it both ways is stupid as hell.
[Ogata's quiet for another long moment as he considers Guy's words. They make sense, he supposes. A lot of things that Guy says do. It's almost annoying, actually, because he feels like the angles they're coming from aren't the same at all.]
So are you mad that they just acted out of fear instead of being strategic or just that they talked as if that wasn't the case? [He's just trying to get a read on what we're drinking ourselves into a stupor for here, man.]
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Figures. Seems sadistic enough to fit your bill. I'm not in the mood to get mobbed for a second time, thanks.
[He'll take a long drink from his own glass before continuing. God the urge to just fill the entire glass and down it is INTENSE but he knows better.]
If they had wanted to make amends, they would have by now. Their rules aside, some sure as hell tried harder than others to show that this whole charade was the last thing they wanted. I don't have an issue with those ones.
It's the rest that I think are getting off a little easier than they should. Offering lipservice for retribution while guarding each other from anyone that wants said retribution, all while spewing that slaughtering over a dozen people was for the good of the whole?
Under that logic, our lives were fodder. They better be willing to live with that blood on their hands rather than coming up with any more excuses.
[It's petty, and he knows it's petty. But he could care less about what they could and couldn't do and the agony of their roles, given how some of them had acted the entire time, both in and out of the trials.]
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It seems a lot like war to me. We were fodder back then too, told that what we're doing is just. And that makes it ok for us to kill, all of a sudden? As if the other side isn't being told to think the same thing. And for what? We didn't get anything for it, just a bunch of dead comrades and glory for the men who didn't even fight themselves. I'm tired of it, really. People should just kill each other and not make up a bunch of excuses.
[A probably unsurprising hot take from Ogata. He takes another sip and fixes Guy with an impassive expression.]
Or is that not what you meant?
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Not really, no. But I guess there's enough similarities.
To fight for the sake of combat is different. I'm no soldier, so I can't say how similar or not my experience might be. But when you willingly go into combat, regardless of whether it's right or wrong, you fight and you kill because staying alive is a priority. Those that want to stay alive keep themselves alive, whether that's through bloodshed or manipulation or just running off.
Very few fight just for the sake of killing, and even fewer kill without any purpose at all. You have to have pretty twisted reasoning to just not to give a damn. [Yes, Ogata, he remember what your dad told you. Shh.]
These aren't soldiers fighting a war. These are people with a gun held to their head for someone else's amusement. They say they acted for the good of everyone, that they had no choice, but all I see is a bunch of people who were scared to die, and rather than making choices that helped lead us in a direction of understanding, they just acted on their own fear. They picked off people they knew would prove to be easier kills or unlikeable, they covered their tracks and lied for one another, and they did nothing when other people were killed in retaliation.
For "good" or not, it was nothing but self serving, and to speak like they can have it both ways is stupid as hell.
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So are you mad that they just acted out of fear instead of being strategic or just that they talked as if that wasn't the case?
[He's just trying to get a read on what we're drinking ourselves into a stupor for here, man.]